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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:43:00 -
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It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts.
The cloak isn't for combat- I know
The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance?
Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer)
OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:40:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it.
And how is it overpowered?
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:50:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Then let's remove it. Instead of making the Cloak overpowered it makes more sense to remove it. And how is it overpowered? He didn't say the cloak is currently overpowered, he said that, instead of making the cloak overpowered, it should just be removed. But I don't really agree with removing it. I don't use it, personally, but outright taking it out of the game would be silly.
Then how would it become overpowered? Because cloaked scouts can finally cross open ground without getting spotted by the whole enemy team?
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.07.09 14:31:00 -
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yes.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:22:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Aidualc wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:A bigger dampener bonus would be nice too. It sucks that logi gk0 can permascan you. The only way they can't is if you stack multiple dampeners but that's useless as you will die.
A nice 15% damp would be good. GK scout with 2 complex dampers = no scan  CK scout with 2 complex dampers and cloack = no scan  ak scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = no scan  Mk scout with 3 complex dampers and cloack = SCAN !!   So.. the only one who need a buff is Minmatar Scout, maybe +3% damp per level, proto will be 15%... and compensate the DB.. Also a Scout doesn't need get Tanked... if you are spoted you die... a real scout doesn't show in battle... only feel the knives or shot in the back. Who the hell used more than 1 damp??? That's why I always ohk scouts. Always add damps instead of hp. WRONG, go hp.
sad but true. Ever since they took the precision bonus from Cal Scout, my Cal Scouts went from like 300 EHP scouts to over 600 EHP scouts.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:33:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts.
The cloak isn't for combat- I know
The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance?
Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer)
OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus.
If you aren't sitting 4 feet away from a tv displaying the game in its full 720p the cloak is VERY difficult to spot. Size of the tv screen is an important variable when determining how far away one is sitting. If the game is still too hard for you when you have an invisibility button maybe consider trying a different role.
I sit 10-15 feet away from a nice 50 inch TV. I see them as clear as day.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:40:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:the cloaks havnt been changed, when they first came out all the scouts started with the "learn to spot us" "get gud" "learn situational awareness"
well everyone took that advice.... so my only responce to this is
learn to hide
learn what LOS is and what blindspots are
learn situational awareness
That isn't the problem. The problem is that the cloak is literally just as if not more visible than not cloaked. How is that even suppose to work?
Also, don't forget that all it takes to spot a hidden standing still scouts is a quick spin of the cross hairs and Aim-Assist will target right onto them. There is nothing to learn in this. This has simply become routine in game not like you actually have to do it because they are visible as day.
BTW, your so called situation awareness is horrid when you add in the fact that "Scouts" using cloak have their passive scans stripped from them. Either way, it's not like passive scans are even worth a damn. #Scanners
Isn't the cloak there so you wouldn't get spotted in somebodies LOS??
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:43:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Z3dog wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:It's sad that it's easier to spot a cloak than it is to spot a uncloaked target from like a mile away. The blue shimmer just signals to my eyes "SHOOT HERE" where as the black drop suits are much harder to spot. Also, it's pretty funny that snipers from a different area code can easily head shot scouts.
The cloak isn't for combat- I know
The cloak is for moving around the map undetected right? Then why is it easier to spot cloaked targets than uncloaked at a distance?
Solution: Buff cloak (reduce the shimmer)
OR not buff the cloak- remove it- and give scouts a better bonus.
If you aren't sitting 4 feet away from a tv displaying the game in its full 720p the cloak is VERY difficult to spot. Size of the tv screen is an important variable when determining how far away one is sitting. If the game is still too hard for you when you have an invisibility button maybe consider trying a different role. I sit 10-15 feet away from a nice 50 inch TV. I see them as clear as day. Well there ya go.
It's not my fault every Brazilian and their mother have a 140p 12 inch TV.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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Sir Dukey
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Posted - 2015.07.11 17:44:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:the cloaks havnt been changed, when they first came out all the scouts started with the "learn to spot us" "get gud" "learn situational awareness"
well everyone took that advice.... so my only responce to this is
learn to hide
learn what LOS is and what blindspots are
learn situational awareness
That isn't the problem. The problem is that the cloak is literally just as if not more visible than not cloaked. How is that even suppose to work? Also, don't forget that all it takes to spot a hidden standing still scouts is a quick spin of the cross hairs and Aim-Assist will target right onto them. There is nothing to learn in this. This has simply become routine in game not like you actually have to do it because they are visible as day. BTW, your so called situation awareness is horrid when you add in the fact that "Scouts" using cloak have their passive scans stripped from them. Either way, it's not like passive scans are even worth a damn. #Scanners Isn't the cloak there so you wouldn't get spotted in somebodies LOS?? i think youve missed the point where cloaks are exactly as visable as they have always been and the old answer to "scouts are OP" has always been, use your eyes and shoot the glowy thing. NOW that people are actually DOING that... theres suddenly a problem with cloaks that diddnt exsist before?
Actually, this problem has existed for a long time but back in the day getting spotted wasn't much of a problem because you could just uncloak and fight back easily not with the delay and passive scan nerf using the cloak has become a chore due it's inability to do it's job (Hide me).
Not only that but many people didn't bother complain about the cloak- they simply stopped using it. I on the other hand dislike useless weapons,equipment, suits so I take it upon my self to bring the problem to the table. This problem has existed for quite a while.
Edit: back in the day, being too visible wasn't as much of a problem because the cloak could be used to do a lot more than just hide yourself. Now it's sole job is to conceal the user because it is almost completely useless in a combat scenario. Crossing open areas is what it is suppose to be used for but it sucks.
It's like a car- A luxury car is slow but it is super comfortable, after the nerf, the car is still slow but it's not comfortable
essentially what I am saying is pre-nerf there were advantages to using the cloak, now ,however, it has one job and it can't even do that effectively.
"Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
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